If God is all loving why does he allow suffering, death etc.?

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By atomswifey

Concerning Children and even His own Son:

I have heard it and wondered it myself. Why would God allow for so much suffering, death illness and vilolence among His children whom He loves? To answer this, we first will examine one example of suffering reflected against His own Son, Jesus.

Some people see Jesus one way and God another. Which, as to perception is the way we "see" it here on earth, A father in relation to his son are seperate. But Jesus Himself said that He and God the father are one and the same.
So in that respect, if you were to look at Jesus and see Him as loving, kind, humble etc. You are in fact really seeing God that way as well.


So next lets focus our attention concerning children and or Gods "lack of love" for His own as He sent Him here to be tormented and killed.
If you were to consider that God and Jesus are one and the same, then you would have to agree that God sent Himself as a sacrifice for us. But someone could then argue, "But there are scriptual references to Jesus being on the right hand of God etc" and you'd be right. But then suppose and I am asking that you only open your heart and or mind to the possibility of, that God, being God could have placed a large part of Himself into the body of Christ. Being that Jesus was NOT born as we are "into sin", He was perfect as God is perfect. He did say so himself. So, in knowing that, He was being loving at the hands of going through His own suffering. 

So then we come to the question of God having others in the Old Testament sacrifice their child to Him. There is only one reference to this that I know of in the Bible and it was concerning Abraham and his son, Isaac. God did in fact compel him to do that. But if you recall he then told Abraham to not follow through with it. God in that circumstance sought to prove to Abraham as well as to all others who would have been a witness to, that Abrahams willingness to do that, his obedience, his service to God was so great that he would do anything God commanded. Abraham's story in this case was a testament as to the faith we can all have. That our faith being human, born into sin, etc just as Abraham was/is not limited. We do have the strength to do Gods will. Not that God really wanted him to actually do it or follow through, as is evident by Him stopping the act of it.
Also from that story we find where Abraham had ears with which to hear God. He heard the command from Him and so, by that we know we have the capability to do the same.
Again, we see where God was showing that we too have the capability to love Him so greatly that we would suffer ourselves for Him.


So then we come to why it is we have the commandment to honour our father and mother but not to honour our children. But you need to read further on to understand this.
God did instruct for us to not exasperate our children. Not to cause them to become angry or hurt, frustrated.
The fact that it is posed for us to, not "spare the rod" is reasonable. Because to not discipline our children we spoil them.
Simply because there are those who take that to extreme then and beat their children is not in anyway reflective of what God intended for man to do with that instruction or guideline. Not that He commanded it either. He simply said, if you spare the rod, you will spoil the child. That is not him commanding us to spank and or beat our children. There is no such commandment written for such a thing. In this regard, God is showing His love and concern for us as parents and too for children as they should grow up with discipline, instruction etc. In that instruction we show love to our children because we care and love them enough to guide them, into being good people.

.And in that, some take how man or even the church has interpreted and twisted Gods word to reflect something it didn't. Thus causing the suffering and or pain on children as a result of. And then there are those who blame God for it. I would think one could reason, it was the church that was in the wrong there. For twisting Gods word into their own version of the truth, rather than what the truth actually is.
And not that is God not loving them.

God does end the suffering!

And then we come to human suffering and why it is God would allow for such things to happen to the very children he loves. Ok lets examine this to some detail.
God created us having free will, in that we have the choice to do good or evil right? So when speaking about the suffering at someone else's hands, it is they who make that choice. God is not as some would have you believe a "puppet master" He is not and does not have strings over our heads controlling our every move. There are circumstances that do happen in this life, by chance. Now having said that, Could God intervene in such cases and stop all of the suffering, all of the pain etc. Yes He could. Then the question becomes, Then why doesn't He?

Ok lets suppose you have a child. And you love your child. You adore your child. Do you then in that love place that child in a bubble forever to protect him/her from anything bad that could possibly happen? If you could do that with your child, even in knowing all the bad things that might happen to Him or her if you didn't, would you? As well, if God were to lets say, change/alter every aspect of our lives and the lives of others that would negate our own free will and too we then would not experience life at all. Not in the reality that we know it to be.

As a result of sin coming to be in this world, the harsh realities of suffering, pain, death, came along with that sin as well. Just as with God in whom everything is perfect and good. So it is too that with sin, there is everything imperfect and evil or bad. It was mans decision which dictated that sin coming to be in this world thus all the bad, all the suffering which was to follow.
Did God know ahead of time it would, yes. Could He have avoided or stopped it, not without negating free will.

So you say, well my goodness, then negate the free will right? But then why create us at all then? God already has created beings which serve him, worship Him all the time not being created in the image or likeness of God with having choices, or a free will.
Thats where we, His creation are special and unique in the universe.

Now, you might still say, "but why do we have to suffer as a result of something that happened way back then"?
Because even to this day since then man has continued to fall. He has continued to sin over and over again. What we see in this world all the pain, all the suffering, all the ugliness, all the hate and violence, arrogance and pride are all the exact things God wants to free us from. That is our reward for serving Him, believing in Him and trusting in Him regardless of all that we see or might experience or feel here on this earth.

Is it sad for all of us when we see or hear of a child suffering, as they are innocent? yes it is. Would you stop that suffering if you could? Yes of course you would. Does God? The answer is,Yes, he does!

Sometimes He stops the suffering by taking them home to be with Him, sometimes he stops it by healing them, sometimes he stops it by having put medicinal plants etc which man then uses to facilitate that healing. Either way, any way you look at it then, He does stop the suffering, ends the pain.
And if the parent of that child believes that one day they will be reunited with that child there is healing there too, in their suffering/grief. Parents of a child they have lost can find and do find healing and comfort in the knowing they will be with their again one day.And why is it that God allows the cancer, aids, or any other to strike anyone? Because those things which inflict us are brought on naturally in this world that is sickness in of itself, because of sin.

God allows for us to see and even be inflicted ourselves in all the pain, ugliness, hurt, violence, hate, and so on, is so that in seeing that reality that sin caused all of it,  we might come to the realization that it is sin to which we blame. And being so full of hate for sin, as a result of that knowledge, just as He is, we might turn away from sin and believe in Him, cling to Him, love Him even more for providing a way out of all that and into perfection with Him.

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James A Watkins profile image

James A Watkins Level 8 Commenter 2 years ago

A fine Hub here. Welcome to the Hub Pages Community! Though I have lived in Florida for 18 years I am from St. Joseph, Michigan and visit there several times a year. God Bless You!

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DancingRedFeather 2 years ago

You are right about Free Will. God wants us to love and obey Him not like a robot but of our own free will and He will protect us if we obey Him. Of course, we could have an accident, fall sick etc..but then, if it is His will,He will let you live longer and heal you if you put your complete trust in Him.

It is up to us to receive blessings from Him. We have to merit His blessings and His love.

Abraham when he offered his son as God asked..it was a sign of what God would do for humanity.

Thus we would understand the love God had for us, offering His only begotten Son to save humanity.

We are in the End Times and thus we must get closer to God and repent of our sins if we do not want to have the same fate at Satan, his demons and all those who have forgotten God.

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atomswifey Hub Author 2 years ago

Very right you are DancingRedFeather and you know what? I had never really thought about Abraham's sacrifice that way before but you are so right!

Thank you for enlightening those that read with that!

RevLady profile image

RevLady Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

To invert your question, One could ask, if God is not all loving, then why does He allow, kindness, love, affection, generosity, unselfish sacrifice, beauty, and so forth?

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atomswifey Hub Author 2 years ago

exactly revlady! :)

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Godslittlechild 2 years ago

God wasn't the cause of suffering and death. Man's sin was the cause. God never intended for us to suffer. He loves us!

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DancingRedFeather 2 years ago

SATAN..is the culprit..not MAN..Eve was decieved and Adam followed her and even put the BLAME on Eve when God talked to them.

Of course they are *partly* to blame for putting the death penalty on humanity.

God doesn't allow kindness, love etc..we are BORN with it as we are BORN with evil also.

It is our FREE WILL..that dictates our behavior and God doesn't intervene at this moment.

But, when His Son returns, we will know only good, no longer will our carnal minds be carnal..but only after the 1000 years, after Satan and the world that will join him to do the last battle against Jesus Christ will we know everlasting peace and no longer will our minds know evil, otherwise we would always be doing good and evil and so the world would not be changed.

I can't wait until the day am perfect..but then I have to have my name IN THE BOOK OF LIFE and that is alot of work to do. :)

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atomswifey Hub Author 2 years ago

I value your insight Dancing and I agree with most of what you said here but it was man that fell. Adam had a choice between two trees not just one.

The tree of knowledge and the tree of life. Adam chose death over life eternal. satan tempted Adam with knowledge. He told Adam, God lied by saying to them, "you won't surely die". Adam did not live forever, he did die eventually.

God banished them from paradise and where did they go? Out into the world.

where Adam first went wrong was not falling into temptation, it was believing God would lie to him. The second was lust. He lusted after that knowledge. He wanted it so bad he would even rather die if that was to be, for it.

satan thought he had a victory there, BUT God had an even better plan...Jesus! Yes, Adam did fall but through Jesus God reconsiled humself to man, his creation. Allowing for us oonce again to eat from the tree of life.

Read Revelations 2. The letter to that church from Christ. In it you will read once again about the tree of life. Why is that so significant? If you will notice, we do not read after the fall of man any more about that tree. Until that is, at our NEW BEGINNING! WOW! I get so excited when I think about that!!! :)

And so it is even today we have those same two choices. Between life eternal with God or death and seperation from Him. Just as they were banished from paradise so will be case for those who have not chosen Christ who is life!

satan has no power except that which God gave him and he corrupted and of course the power we give sometimes give him over our lives. And when I say we and our I am talking about the world.

satan did not MAKE Adam choose the tree of knowledge, he only lied to him about its effects. lied to him about God. And to this very day as a result of Adam, Gods first falling into that, satan then found out that it worked, so he thought. So he has to this day sought to tempt and lie about God and his promises to man.

If you remember too, it says, Eve turned to Adam and he did eat. He was there the whole time. He could have stopped her, being that he was in charge of everything, including woman in the garden. BUt he didn't.

Just my thoughts and beliefs on it :)

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LogicalSpark 24 months ago

The Original sin of creating Evil is that of God's, isn't it?

So, is God really just Love & Piety?

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tom hellert Level 7 Commenter 22 months ago

OK I know allot of people will take issue with what I am about to say-I believe that people have many options to get to heaven- BECAUSE There is no way that God has only 1 way to get to heaven-If you say that all buddists or muslims will die and go to hell...I think part of our punishment of original sin is separation until the time he comes back to save us all except the satanists and atheists- they have no belief or a real bad one and THey will die and burn... but we know or have to assume stillborns or unbaptized kids are not going to hell not in my Gods world so....thats my take and I may just wrie a hub on it

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tom hellert Level 7 Commenter 22 months ago

have issue with someone who believes in him but calls him a differemt name -My God is the GOD of compassion and understanding he made us and he knows we can becausewe are imperfect mess up his meaning-There is no way my God who is all knowing and powerful will it is unfathomable to me-got has separated us as a test; that he already knows the outcome- we just have to come up with the right question.

TH

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allweathersforum 15 months ago

LogicalSpark; God ordained it, He didn’t create it. God does ordain whatsoever comes to pass, but He is not the author of evil or sin. Psalm 8:3 “When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained”. Do you know the story of Joseph, the boy who was sold into slavery by his own brothers, this was an evil, sinful act, but God used this evil for good, for the salvation of His people. And so it is with Jesus, God sent His Son to suffer great evil for the salvation of many. God turns evil into good for those who love Him; and God does this for His own glory unto your salvation. I hope that helps LogicalSpark.

Tom Hellert; Your concerns are valid and understood. I can see how you can come to these conclusions, I have struggled with such myself in times past. But I had come to realize that either Jesus was a good prophet, or a lying prophet. If it is the latter, then all who follow Jesus are following a liar, a thief, and a deceiver. For Jesus Himself says, “I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me”. There are a plethora of verses like this in the bible, therefore what logically be concluded, but that Jesus is either a liar and a deceiver, or He is what He says He is which is the only way that no one be deceived.

Tom, do you remember the story of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, the young men who went through Nebuchadnezzar’s fiery furnace. Afterward this is what was said by Nebuchadnezzar, “And a decree is set out by me, that every people, nation, and language who speak anything amiss about the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, he will be made into mere members and his house shall be made an outhouse. Because there is no other God who is able to deliver like this”. Nebuchadnezzar built an Idol, and we do so just like he did when we choose how we are to worship God, and who God is. The great reformer John Calvin once said that we are a bunch of idol factories. He was right, we are because we think we know more about God that He does, we use His self revelation in part to suit our longings and understanding. But this is not to be so, either we worship Him as He is and Who He is or we might as well through it all away and worship ourselves. I hope this helps Tom. Maybe it doesn’t but this is why we follow Jesus and no other. Blessings.

Jessica 4 months ago

I agree with Tom. When people of various religions worship their God of a different name it does not mean that it is a different God or idol. It is all the same, it is all God, call it what you want but the intention and love is what matters. No person of faith (any faith) will be condemned to be apart from God. In the end we are all part of God as stated in the Bible, God expanded himself to create man...meaning God is all of us, we are an extension.

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